tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28855039.post5937843971593846335..comments2024-03-21T19:12:11.065-07:00Comments on Every Day Is Like Wednesday: Paul Dini, one man bandCalebhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01391759187396994380noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28855039.post-52489084649629477452009-07-08T02:15:18.441-07:002009-07-08T02:15:18.441-07:00"The "unifying creative element" ar..."The "unifying creative element" argument I feel is somewhat harmed by a sixth of the book having been written by someone else entirely."<br /><br />I view it in the same way as when any other comic contains a backup strip or reprint without those creators' names on the cover. Caleb's right - it doesn't make sense to include a fill-in issue - but against five Dini-penned issues, the straggler is little more than a backup.Hdefinedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14402669731760470459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28855039.post-76345694428418854722009-07-07T22:56:32.482-07:002009-07-07T22:56:32.482-07:00There's a couple of things I don't like ab...There's a couple of things I don't like about the cover, design-wise. Heather's comment is a valid complaint -- I mean, *I* know it's Batman: Detective by Paul Dini, but...<br /><br />The Invisibles trades are sold on the strength of Grant Morrison's name, but they still list most of the artists (Entropy in the UK has eight separate artist credits on its cover). As an artist I might feel a little slighted by the Detective trade dress; the "unifying creative element" argument I feel is somewhat harmed by a sixth of the book having been written by someone else entirely.<br /><br />You know what has *really* confusing credits? The first Alan Moore Supreme collection by Checker. The cover credits are: Alan Moore, Chris Sprouse, Rick Veitch, Alex Ross. Moore and Veitch are given, but although Sprouse would become the regular artist in later issues of Supreme, he only does one issue here (and since it's shared with Veitch, Sprouse's total contribution is 12 pages in the whole book). And Alex Ross is only involved inasmuch as the publishers repurposed a bunch of pencil and watercolor sketches (featuring a costume redesign concept that doesn't appear in this book, and was ultimately never used at all) into a cover and chapter dividers.Justinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16490957677766912068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28855039.post-2742299099200512622009-07-07T22:21:11.684-07:002009-07-07T22:21:11.684-07:00"This is just "part of dude's run on..."This is just "part of dude's run on the series, and a fill-in," you know?"<br /><br />Yes, but unfortunately for him, he wasn't saddled with a consistent creative team, at least not for the first dozen issues, and aside from Williams getting assigned to the book and then pulled off after the first issue, there wasn't a single headlining artist for a while.<br /><br />But considering the series was being marketed on the strength of Dini's name (which had more pull at the time than it does now, since this was his first monthly series and it came out before Countdown started), it's no surprise that the trade is also being marketed on the strength of his name.<br /><br />You have to consider it (the marketing) from the perspective of 2006, not 2009.Hdefinedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14402669731760470459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28855039.post-48970004688080067032009-07-07T20:03:31.788-07:002009-07-07T20:03:31.788-07:00As already mentioned, there is the Alan Moore trad...<i>As already mentioned, there is the Alan Moore trade, which doesn't list the dozens of artists that work on the stories within on the cover.</i><br /><br />Well, I don't think the Alan Moore book is a very good comparison, as Moore is the most popular and best-selling graphic novel writer of all-time, and Dini's...not. Additionally, the organizing principle of the Moore trade was "all the random little one-off Alan Moore stories that we own the rights to that aren't already published in perennial best-seller trades."<br /><br />In that case, Moore was very much the selling point, not Clayface IV or Mogo or Green Arrow or Vigilante II or whoever. <br /><br />This seems more comparable to the BKV Batman book, or the Cooke Batman book. But even then, those were "everything by those writers" kinda collections; this is just "part of dude's run on the series, and a fill-in," you know? <br /><br /><i>I mean, geez Caleb, if this really gets you so worked up...</i><br /><br />I <i>did</i> say "bemused" in the first sentence, didn't I?Calebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01391759187396994380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28855039.post-91988828927230226662009-07-07T19:47:21.509-07:002009-07-07T19:47:21.509-07:00I mean, geez Caleb, if this really gets you so wor...I mean, geez Caleb, if this really gets you so worked up, I'd hate to see your reaction to the Marvel Visionaries line of trades.Hdefinedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14402669731760470459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28855039.post-43851458114625520492009-07-07T18:28:21.486-07:002009-07-07T18:28:21.486-07:00"his entire Detective run was designed to be ..."his entire Detective run was designed to be throwaway and not interfere with what Morrison was doing in the main book"<br /><br />You're expressing your opinion as if it were a fact of editorial intention.Hdefinedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14402669731760470459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28855039.post-15417997995708152622009-07-07T18:10:11.424-07:002009-07-07T18:10:11.424-07:00I think everyone is wrong. By looking at the cover...I think everyone is wrong. By looking at the cover we can clearly see Paul Dini collaborated with Batman on this run of Detective.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03430668864435579238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28855039.post-52657040646549032642009-07-07T17:24:01.971-07:002009-07-07T17:24:01.971-07:00Yeah, I'm going to have to disagree with you h...Yeah, I'm going to have to disagree with you here. As already mentioned, there is the Alan Moore trade, which doesn't list the dozens of artists that work on the stories within on the cover. And regardless of what someone personally thinks of Paul Dini's work, his announcement as writer on Detective was as big as Morrison's at the time. He is (or at least was--this trade is several years old)a big name draw. Hence the hardcover collection of Mad Love along with other Dini-written Batman stories.rjthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03904225634269036045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28855039.post-67042632608678592992009-07-07T17:12:52.530-07:002009-07-07T17:12:52.530-07:00It's especially odd considering that J. H. Wil...It's especially odd considering that J. H. Williams is a pretty top-tier artist, while Paul Dini is kind of an Also Ran... his entire Detective run was designed to be throwaway and not interfere with what Morrison was doing in the main book (a task that now requires two spinoffs, apparently).esteban138https://www.blogger.com/profile/16710963218674106511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28855039.post-24557135632130208642009-07-07T16:39:29.561-07:002009-07-07T16:39:29.561-07:00If Dini is the singular creative element unifying ...If Dini is the singular creative element unifying almost all of the stories, why is it wrong to headline the book with only his name? What about that Alan Moore: Tales of the DCU book? The Tim Sale and Darwyn Cooke collections? <br /><br />This move isn't unprecedented, and it's not unreasonable, either.Hdefinedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14402669731760470459noreply@blogger.com